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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code?
Date: 19 Oct 1995 21:49:57 -0500
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In article <1995Oct19.144139.64259@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>> No matter how many times I see this it still grates on my nerves as
>> I recall the old kermit documents that described how the name was
>> chosen and said something to the effect that "kermit is free and
>> always will be". (Or is my memory at fault here?) I have nothing
>> against proprietary products, but couldn't you have changed the
>> name when the philosophy changed?
> With all due respect Les, you are wildly off base with that remark.
>Columbia Kermits have never been "Public Domain"; the code is fully copyright.
>The products are available to you free. The Kermit protocol is open and free
>to everyone to use. The protocol does not mean the code and programs. Any
>trouble understanding that?
No, I don't have trouble understanding it, they just aren't free if
you want to modify them and restribute them to do something useful,
or to use them as part of a service. In other words they are only
free if you don't need them.
Think back 10 years ago and consider which of "kermit" or "a full
tcp/ip implementation" you would have expected to find included
at no extra cost in small computer operating systems, which would
be used more for dial-up communications, which would be available
in source code with modifications for special purposes from
many sources. I guessed wrong. And the difference is not in whether
the code is copyrighted or not. It has to do with which university
owns the copyright and what the fine print says. But I wish I could
dig up those copies from the early eighties where the code was
contributed from many sources and I thought the emphasis was on keeping
it free so I could see if my memory is just getting hazy.
Les Mikesell
les@mcs.com